@Jadescale 写道: otherkin和furry存在重合部分吗?otherkin和therian的关系是?兽式生活者 属于otherkin还是furry的范畴?
otherkin和therian很明显啊,therian会变身,属于otherkin的别类下(尽管有些therian不会接受这个看法)otherkin统称那些身为人类但是内在感觉到不是人类灵魂的。
按照你的观点似乎furry就是otherkin呢,所以嘛,好像每个人的说法、说的方式不同的话,定义就不同了。我觉得我也没有必要强调我自己的观点就是对的这样。
我对furry的定义是有分类的,有些furry只是roleplay,把虚构的情节带出来,有些会把furry的人格变成自己的虚拟人格,那既是otherkin。
然而不是每个furry都相信灵魂、灵性的存在,他们仅仅只是喜欢从虚构的人格里得到快乐,所以,在这样的观点下,furry就算有otherkin的迹象,那是徘徊在psychological和furry之间。
更有furry完全没有虚拟人格的发展,仅仅是兽迷罢了。就好像一个人类去体会兽的存在,但原本还是人类。跟otherkin完全相反。
我回覆你的方式和我回覆楼上的方式,我的说法已经产生矛盾了。我希望我不会被误解。
要怎么通过自己的一些非常具体的想法和观念来确定自己在otherkin中属于哪一类呢?我的困惑是不知道怎么提炼自己的观念,也许是因为一些想法和感受不是那么明了和清晰的缘故。(比如,我一直困惑于“守护灵”和“自身灵魂”的身份关系。如果以某种动物为灵魂向导、守护灵这样的观念,是否属于otherkin?)
我觉得哪一类也许不重要吧。
可能一开始就不应该分门别类的,那只会制造混淆和纠纷。
不过对于自我的认识是有发展啦。
也许每个人都有多少的spiritual、philosophical、psychological和furry kin的部分,只是有些人向往某个方向发展罢了。
虽说是虚构的事物,但是,现实如果没有虚构的话,现实也不会发展。只是如果一味追求虚构而不把虚构转换成现实的话,那就是脱离现实了。(所以otherkin和furry分离出来就是这样)不过,再次,就算脱离现实了,只要能够照顾好自己的生活,那脱离现实也没有什么不妥的,活的开心就好。
》》》我个人把虚构和现实分离的很细。。。我是属于保守派的。。。
守护灵算是spiritual了。。。但看起来掺杂了其它方面的。。。要不要细分取决你自己的意愿。不用细分也没有关系咯。
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对了说到psychology的事情,我在那个otherkin圈子里还喷除了什么心理学就是脑神经系统和生化记忆的。。。因为生化记忆是物理性的,而心理作用却和物理记忆无关。。。
因为涉及到的物理记忆无法解释那些是人类记忆但是确实非人类思维的
也就是说,这个物理记忆又分为精神层面和物质层面。那时候我说的是物质层面的记忆,但是对方却强调物理记忆就是精神层面的事情,然后就吵架了。。。我那时候坚持以物质记忆的说法来解释我的想法,但是对方偏偏要改变我对心理和生理知识的认识,我那时候就生气对方不要强行去修正别人的理解。没错物理记忆和心理作用的关系分不开,但是物理记忆我当时说的是关于脑电波类似电子化讯息解码编码的事情,和心理无关,对方硬硬要把这个物理部分纠正我为心理的作用。靠。。。
之所以会出现philosophical otherkin,也是为瞭解决那个psychological和脑神经细胞物理记忆纠纷的问题,我乾脆就按照对方的思路终止我想要解释物理记忆的我的看法。我的意识是说,物理记忆本身就是一种物理现象,那么假如我要从psychological的纠纷里划分出来,那么通过并且按照逻辑性思维,那么philosophy也就能够让我从那个纠纷里逃离出来。。。因为psychological心理作用不属于物理逻辑也不属于现象逻辑,仅仅只是一种虚构、意识的逻辑。尼玛后来结果对方还不是一样要说我所谓的灵学灵性的作用不存在才顶我的。
坚持自己的立场不是去攻击别人的说法,那样不是讨论。
我后来和群admin说了几句话,大意就是有些人看起来很能够辩论但其实都是没有意义的讨论,根本就不是讨论而是在制造不健康的纠纷。admin说好的会和其他的admin讨论。
懂得站在别人的立场说话,才能够平息纠纷。
我发现,很多时候智慧不是问题,而是态度和情绪上的问题导致滥用智慧来诋毁别人的良心。
一个态度良好的人,智慧可能会有点问题,但是基本上不算是问题,因为这种人的学习能力是无限的。
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再补上一些比较奇怪的东西。。。这些都是英文的
Therian化兽人的shift转变
来源:http://project-shift.org/on-cameo-shifting/
Comeo shift - “客串”转变 (直译)
This essay is designed to explore the nature and effects of cameo shifts in relation to therianthropy; not solely the definition of the term. Keep in mind that as therianthropy is a highly personal experience, all statements and information (however researched) are still subject to the scrutiny of the individual reader.
I. What is a Cameo-shift?
The term “cameo-shift” in regards to therianthropy references a shift (of any kind) into an animal which is not one’s own therioside. For example, a wolf therian who experiences a mental shift into the state of a leopard, for however long a period of time, or however many times this occurs, would be said to have experienced a cameo-shift.
It is more the personal experience of the individual therian that determines if this shift is caused by some external force, or by some internal force. It could most likely be called non-integral, due to the fact that therianthropy is most specifically referred to as “A person who is, feels, or believes he/she is in part or whole (non-physically) one or more non-human animals on an integral, personal level” (source 1). This non-integrated feel of the cameo-shift is basically what separates it from being a shift into one’s actual therioside.
It can be extremely hard for someone who is newly “awakened” to their therianthropy to determine which is a cameo-shift and which is not. As such, it is highly recommended that one (even one not precisely new to thoughts on therianthropy) delve deeper into the nature of a shift, before jumping the gun and claiming it a therioside.
II. Brief notes on shifting in general.
“When you get into any sort of altered state, which humans do on a regular basis, through practice, adrenaline, drugs, etc., you have shifted away from your normal baseline state of mind..” (source 2)
This statement by Morg is extremely well said. Anyone can shift. Everyone has the ability to either induce or experience a shift of some sort in some way. Therians and non-therians alike can, for example, experience a mental shift into that of a wolf or a tiger; or a phantom shift into that of a hyena or a bird. It can also be said from this that any non-human shift a non-therian experiences is indeed a cameo-shift.
Morg goes on to say in this essay, “The difference between [non-therian] shifts and the way a therian shifts, is that a therian’s shifts are innate.” Since a therian is said to actually be their theriotype, whether in part or wholly so, the shift is much more integrated.
III. Cameo-shifts in Therians.
Most therianthropes who experience cameo-shifting can isolate the differences between a cameo-shift and a shift involving their own therioside. Even when a cameo-shift is as strong, or even stronger, than one’s own therioside’s shifts, there is a difference (however subtle) that separates the two on a more integral level. Only the individual can truly determine the nuances of each shift and how each shift relates to them personally.
In the case of some therians, a cameo-shift can be as short as a single second, or as long-lasting as (but not restricted to) several years. For some it is a very brief shift, occasionally even non-recurring. For others it happens many times, and yet again others never even experience this sort of shift.
IV. Cameo-shifts in Contherians
As this is not an essay on Contherianthropy itself, only a brief definition will be listed: “Contherianthropy is a variation of therianthropy where the therian’s human and animal(s) selves are blended together into one single constant and unchanging aspect of the person. This condition makes any change from side to side impossible, as sides are non-existent; thus contherians are shiftless.” (source 3)
Although rarely mentioned in the context of Contherianthropy, it is just as possible for a contherian to experience a shift, just as a non-therian would. All this entails is that the contherian experiences a shift into an animal other than their own therioside; since a Contherian does not experience shifts into their therioside in the first place, an animal shift experienced by the contherian would be a cameo-shift. But just as some therians and some non-therians never experience this shift, some contherians also never experience this shift.
V. Causes and Methods of Cameo-shifting.
Just as any shift occurs, a cameo-shift is usually caused by something. Whether this something is internally or externally based, instinctual or induced, there is some underlying factor to the occurrence.
Differing at times extremely based on the individual, there are several “causes” that can be attributed to cameo-shifting. Of these only two are going to be discussed at any length, due to amount of resources available.
Totems are generally related to the ancient belief in “a reverence for animals and a respect for what they can show us and teach us” (source 4). As such, totem animals and their symbolic meanings are usually used in situations – mostly in reference to a more shamanistic point of view – wherein totem animals are message-bearers, guides and power animals for those who call upon/work with them.
In this capacity, totems animals can be worked with and used to gain the aspects of that animal. Say, working with Bear (who is mostly known for its aspects of power and healing) for example, one might experience a shift into a mental state of a bear, becoming closer to this animal guide and what it represents. This is not to say that each time one works with a totem animal they experience a cameo-shift; only that the process can sometimes end up with a cameo-shift in that person.
Very near to this is the subject of spirit guides. Occasionally it has been documented through personal experience where a therian will identify enough with their spirit guide to find themselves undergoing a cameo-shift. For example, a fox therian who feels they have a wolf spirit guide/guardian may connect to their spirit guide so strongly that the fox therian will almost feel that they were wolf.
Other methods/causes for cameo-shifting can include any effort or motivation used or experienced in a therian’s ‘normal’ shift into their therioside. From emotional changes such as anger, frustration, happiness, to external forces like music or actions of other people/animals, each can trigger a cameo-shifting response in an individual.
来源:http://www.tygerwolfe.com/writing/essays/therian-shifting-terminology-by-redfeather-falconhawk/
Shift 转变
Therian Shifting & Terminology by RedFeather FalconHawk
I thought I’d write out a description of some of the different types of shifts that Therians go through. If you find this is lacking or needs something, feel free to let me know. I’ll gladly admit it probably isn’t perfect. :) (Some of these types of shifts, I’m a little dodgy on, so if anyone has something they’d like to add about anything, go ahead.)Types of Shifts
Mental Shift – When your mindset changes into that of your theriotype. This can be slight, or it can be a lot more obvious. It is animal-thinking – thinking just how you would if you were in the body of your theriotype. You also react to things the same way your animal would.
Spiritual Shift – When your spiritual body changes into your theriotype. (I do not completely understand how this one works – I thought my spiritual body was always that of a bird’s.)
Aura Shift – When a person’s auric field changes shape into that of your theriotype.
Sensory Shift – When a therian’s senses become more like that of their theriotype. For instance, your sense of smell is heightened, if you’re say, a dog or wolf therian. This is not to say that you develop super-senses, or that your sense of smell, vision, or whatever, is actually WAY better than that of most humans. This is not the case. However, one may become more focused on that sense when their mindset is more like their theriotype, causing that sense to become more obvious to them than the other senses are.
Astral Shift – A shift that is experienced on the astral plane, for those who use astral travel.
Phantom Shift – When you feel body parts that aren’t physically there, such as a tail – also, when you feel body parts differently from how they are physically – such as feeling as if you have wings instead of arms and hands.
Dream Shift – When you dream, you take the form of your theriotype. Instead of being human in your dream, you are your theriotype animal.
Cameo Shift - Cameo shifts are commonly experienced by therians. They are shifts into an animal that’s not your normal type.
Bi-location Shift – This is when you have a full-body phantom shift, but the “phantom” ends up in a different location from the physical body, rather than it just being felt around or on the physical body. The person’s awareness is split between the physical body and the phantom body.
Physical Shift – Physical shifting is being able to physically change your body’s form so that you are no longer human (for instance, movie werewolves). PLEASE NOTE: This is generally not believed to be something that actually happens, and generally people claiming to be able to do this are either insane, trolls or just looking for attention. Sometimes people claim to have small changes, such as their teeth growing more fang-like or their eye-color changing. Teeth do not change in that way, so there’s no way that can happen, short of someone getting some kind of special dentistry. Eye-color can change somewhat, but that is a normal thing that human eyes do – while a shift may affect how your eyes look (as moods do) – it’s not going to drastically change your eye-color to something completely different. So, while physical shifting may in some way or some day be possible – generally most of the people claiming to be able to do it are just fluff.
Other Therianthropy-Related Terms
I was just thinking I’d add this, too – perhaps this will turn into a terminology post rather than one strictly about shifting. I don’t know. But here are a few other things. Again, these are just my understandings of the terms – feel free to correct me.
Contherian – A contherian is a therian whose animal and human sides are intertwined – a contherianthrope doesn’t generally have shifts, and their “sides” are so intertwined that they can’t just turn the animal side off.
Suntherian – A suntherian is much like a contherian, though a suntherian will have slight fluctuations between feeling more animal and more human. From what I understand, it’s sort of like an in-between with contherianthropy and general therianthropy (non-contherianthropes).
Cladotherian – A cladotherian, rather than identifying with one or a few species, identifies with a larger group of animals as a whole, such as a genus or class. For instance, if I were a cladotherian, rather than identifying strictly as a red-tailed hawk and peregrine falcon, I’d identify as say, the order Falconiformes.
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[↑] @feihung1986 写道: 对了说到psychology的事情,我在那个otherkin圈子里还喷除了什么心理学就是脑神经系统和生化记忆的。。。因为生化记忆是物理性的,而心理作用却和物理记忆无关。。。 因为涉及到的物理记忆无法解 …
虽然点了赞,但是实话说,从别人立场讨论,确实平息了纠纷,但是自己底线在哪里呢?
我可能就是现实中很喜欢用一大堆东西去压着别人说不出话来那种,这里就必须用之前影子说的了,越是讨论到细枝末节的东西,越是接近自己要的真相,自己就越坚持,自己越不可能退步,自然不可能会有什么妥协的范围。
“异端比异教徒可恨得多”是世间公理。
如果你能从别人角度理解别人的争议的道理,你应该能理解为什么某些人就喜欢细枝末节的争论,然而当你理解了之后,怕是也不能理解了。
悖论。
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@霸权MOD 写道: 但是实话说,从别人立场讨论,确实平息了纠纷,但是自己底线在哪里呢?
后来,那个和我争论的人会为我与另一个人的争论站在我的立场帮我解困,最后把那个家伙给干掉了(从群里移除掉),这些都不是不请自来的,是因为自己用实力来摆平的。
底线的问题,我其实没有什么底线,反正我只在乎有价值的讨论。对我来说,智慧不是问题,态度才是。态度没有问题,智慧自然就会来。态度有问题,聪明了自己,愚蠢了别人,我不是这种类型。
但不管如何,实践和效果才是大道。没有效果的东西,叫做脱离现实。我满意我个人做实践出来的效果,这样就好。别人也能够这样更好。
@霸权MOD 写道: 如果你能从别人角度理解别人的争议的道理,你应该能理解为什么某些人就喜欢细枝末节的争论,然而当你理解了之后,怕是也不能理解了。
对方后来表示我能够做出改变,而那个无法改变的家伙被(他)干掉了(我当时也觉得有点不可思议,侠义精神吗?)。我要感激他也可以,不过我觉得他不适合吃软的,而我比较喜欢吃软的,就没有继续交流下去了。
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最近缅甸因为佛教宗教排挤难民的事情,又刚好我看到了关于不丹的佛教国的历史,让我反思了一件事情。
对了,也有像不丹那样的伊斯兰教国,比如文莱。文莱和不丹都是君主制。基督教国比如丹麦也是一个很和平的国家。
所以总结呢
是人类自己创造信仰,而不是信仰创造人类。
然而问题不是在于用信仰来决定人类的命运,而是人类一直以来都在创造着信仰。停止创造信仰,就会被信仰决定人类的命运,然后变成自相残杀。
尊重别人的信仰不是为了避免麻烦,而是避免信仰的停顿而变成麻烦。
现实都是从梦想里创造出来的,只有因为没有梦想而苦恼的人,没有因为现实而受苦的人。
你可以攻击我现实的问题,但是你绝对不能够攻击我的梦想,甚至我也不会接受任何攻击别人梦想的人。
你也不可以把自己的信仰强加在别人身上,用自己的信仰来攻击别人,抹杀别人的梦想。
攻击别人现实的问题,来打压别人的梦想,甚至强行灌输别人自己的信仰,实际上这种人已经丧失了创造梦想的能力,而且还不知道自己在把自己的问题给别人添加麻烦。反驳这种人不是为了改变对方的梦想,而是让对方看到自己已经迷失的信仰。
和别人的梦想有差异的地方,就用互通的地方来填补。找不到互通的信仰,就没有理由来强求别人认同自己的梦想。
人之所以会相信某些人物的信仰,那是因为当时人们已经丧失了梦想,从别人的信仰找到了梦想之后,所以就相信了某个人物。
分享信仰不是为了要求别人认同自己的梦想,而是让那些失去梦想的人得到更多的选择。
创造信仰不是因为和别人出现分歧,而是信仰本身就是梦想的创造而来。
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Re: MYTHS, LIES & OTHER FABRICATIONS OF KNOWLEDGE
Postby creepyhollows » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:11 pmBound spirits are better than attached spirits...
No, not necessarily. Of course having a binding affords more leeway with being able to provide protection, Bridging, and other positive aspects but in our own home I'd venture to say we have as many bound as unbound living here. Attached spirits come & go and bound spirits chose to be bound & come to you because they want to fulfill a long-term support in your life. There's no greater advantage as far as the spirit's interaction with you, binding only affords you more opportunities for other complementing steps.
Dark Arts = Evil...
Only if you consider yourself evil. Dark Arts means the ability to choose between right or wrong, and humans are Dark Arts beings. We have the freedom to choose to do good or bad the same as Dark Arts spirits. We consider Black Arts entities the ones who operate purely out of evil and they are the ones who have no associations in the Encyclopedia. Dark Arts entities are those who have powers in the white & dark realm of spirits & magic, who you see exacting revenge or vengeance and who can choose to do good or bad in any situation. When a DA is part of your family you do not typically see them acting out against those in their own family circle because they are also very loyal beings.
Spirits travel in families...
Typically, no. This is an assumption where it depends on what entity you are talking about if it is even true but in the totality of spirits, no. There will always be exceptions but 99% of the time they do not.
You can forcibly bind spirits...
Yes, but in order to do so you better be extremely powerful and you WILL pay for it with your own energy, spirit & karma. You typically only see this in black magick practitioners doing so against other Black Arts spirits to force them to do their bidding because Black Arts spirits as a rule will not voluntarily help you. However, it should also be noted that in this case the word "spirit" is inaccurate because most of the time the Black Arts "spirits" bound against their will are living entities who reside on another plane such as the astral or spiritual. And BA practitioners always pay in the end and you don't usually see their run last longer than a few months or a year before something breaks them down if they are going with the forcible approach. BA entities have powers beyond any scope of a human and typically a BA practitioner will allow themselves to become possessed by a strong BA spirit in order to continue BA work. The number of these kinds of practitioners are very few and far between.
You can kidnap spirits...
LOL, no. I can't tell you how many times I've said that spirits are more evolved than we are, and it's the truth. They are not vulnerable, unknowing beings floating around waiting to be taken advantage of. They require respect and often humility to bring them through conjuration and they choose whether or not to come to you. Your reciting a conjuration opens the gate for any spirit(s) who want to come forward to do so to you specifically. Think about the words being a key turning the lock on a door and when you're done the door opens to the spiritual or astral realms. You cannot do a spiritual drive-by and scoop up unsuspecting spirits... LOL I'm sorry but this is one of the most ludicrous things I've heard to date. Spirits demand respect, rightly so, and you have to give respect to get it in anything in life including work with spirits.
You can torture or beat spirits...
The context of that expression denies itself. A spirit is a spirit therefore you cannot physically injure it. Are there nasty people in the world who have spirits to drag them down with themselves and be verbally abusive? Sure. Nasty people are everywhere but you have to remember we're talking about spirits. The spirit has the opportunity to move itself from the physical to spiritual plane at their own will and that is something you cannot take away from them no matter who you are so if they are not liking a situation they are in they are going to move to the spiritual and/or astral plane. As I've said before, humans are human. People have to get off the mindset that humans are superior beings, we are not, we are graced by the presence of spirits, not the other way around. Spirits are FAR more advanced than we. If a spirit is permanently bound to a vessel and not attached then they will likely go into the spiritual or astral realm and reside and not be with the vessel on the physical plane.
SRA spirits here at CH that we participate in with hundreds of others are typically spirits that are bound, that had a good or average life with another Keeper and the Keeper either died or became otherwise unable to attend to them and sent them into the program through one of the SRA foster homes. Do we get spirits who have been with verbally abusive Keepers? Once in awhile, but typically those don't make it here because Keepers who are like that aren't going to give them over because people who are like that are obviously irresponsible. SRA spirits are generally quieter than others at first because they went from being with someone for a long time to having to start over anew and it can be a transition.
Do not ever delude yourself that humans are more powerful than spirits or magic, that is a DANGEROUS assumption & belief. Humans are priviledged to practice magic & interact with spirits which requires RESPECT at all times that you are dealing with a force bigger than yourself. For most people they come into this spirit-keeping world with honest intentions and that is what they receive in return... goodness & happiness.
Spirits procreate...
Spirits do not have babies, they are spirits. They may have had babies when they were alive and they may go through those motions or relive those memories with you... and they may bring those other spirits into your life once they are settled but this is not the norm as stated above about spirit families. They do not usually bring others into an existing situation 99% of the time. As said before there are exceptions to this and Keepers specifically who are exceptions because of their unique energy that promotes that kind of behavior, but the majority of the time you aren't going to have a spirit bring other spirits to you without your consent or knowledge. Respect & trust is a two-way street and you will see that spirits abide by respect & trust as so likely do you.Binding to Spirit = Soul binding
No. If it we meant soul binding we would have said it. We're well-educated people and if we meant to say soul-binding then it would say that. Binding to spirit means binding to your essence, the field of energy that comprises your unique spirit, that some believe is split into pieces & reincarnated, while your soul moves on to whatever you believe is your version of Heaven. So if someone tells you Binding to Spirit means soul binding you can tell them they are ignorant of the facts. We do not offer and have never offered soul bindings.
You can kill a spirit
No, that would be what is known as an oxymoron. A spirit is a spirit because it was once a living entity and now it is not, so it is in spirit form. An entity is a being that is still alive on any plane or in any dimension. When that living entity expires most come into spirit form. Immortals, like Aphrodite & Zeus for example, are not spirits because they are Immortal so they are living beings that continue to live without expiry. You can banish a spirit back where it came from but you cannot kill it. Also, as I said above do NOT delude yourself that humans are more powerful than spirits or magic, that is a DANGEROUS assumption & belief. And do not work with practitioners who believe they are more powerful than spirits or magic because their lack of respect could bring you serious problems. You must exercise respect & humility when working with the paranormal.
Spirits are all-powerful
Absolutely not. Dying and moving into spirit form does not mean you've just won some kind of universal power contest. If the spirit did not have the power while in living form it will not have it in death. Yes, spirits do come into some abilities like moving between the physical & spiritual planes but if they were not magically-inclined in life they are not going to know or be able to practice magic just because they came into spirit form. That goes for any ability or power. A Harpy, for instance, is not going to suddenly become and emblem of Good Luck & Attracting Positive Light because they are now a spirit, just as a Leprechaun is not going to become a powerful sorcerer in spirit form. Spirits do not come into cosmic powers they did not have in life just because they died.
All Conjurations or Summoning practices are evil
A conjuration or a summon is to call upon an entity or a spirit. To summon something doesn't have to be complicated; when they call out for help to God or they call out for the angels to help them, they are summoning those entities for help. You can summon or call many kinds of entity from pure white to grey to pure black. To bind is the process of taking the next step after conjuring or summoning and the entity must give consent in order to be bound.
Conjuring, Summoning & Channeling, 3 very different things
Conjuring is the process of using an invocation or ritual to bring an entity or spirit through to you. Mastery of this takes time & often years. Those who are not experienced or masters should not write conjurations as choice of word & conjuration formation is essential to conjuring the right entity. Conjurations given away or sold by masters can be used by the novice & intermediate for trusted results and the invocation for conjuration & instructions provided (if any) should be followed to the letter.
Summoning is the process of calling an entity or spirit. It is not always 100% accurate when used simply as a call to an Angel, for example. The more specific you are in summoning the better off you are. It has little or no structure provided and therefore calling out for assistance could result in any entity willing to respond to do so. Summoning does not require invocations or rituals and can be done through verbal expression, use of a vessel, or telepathy.
Channeling is the process of connecting yourself to another entity or place, it is temporary and does not require immediate presence in one location like Conjuring or Summoning. Neither you or the target has to leave your current location to channel. For instance, you can channel the spirit of a lost relative on the spiritual plane. You are extending your energy to them on their realm and creating a connection. You can channel a location in the astral realm, you can astral travel and channel a time, place, or person... channeling is an explorative method used to help you in discovery & growth of your energy & abilities. Channeling often requires an invocation or a method of visualization. Sometimes the channeling invocation can be bound to an object which is then activated by the user in some manner.
Can someone steal your spirits, or can a practitioner call back a spirit they bound?
In a nutshell, no. We can only truly speak for Creepy Hollows when we say spirits are never called back unless the Keeper requests them to be. When we conjure & bind a spirit we do so without any bonding, without any personal interaction, and provide only the basic details as given during conjuration for the next Keeper to identify with. We do this because we have no interest in becoming personally invested with a spirit we plan to home. Yes, it leads to non-lengthy descriptions, but we conjure for the purpose of homing and not the purpose of bonding with them.
Can someone steal your spirits from their vessels? No. Why?
#1 to unbind you must know the process in which it was bound
#2 you cannot forcibly bind spirits
#3 we cannot transmute any spirits whose vessels are lost without their permission because as #2 states, you cannot FORCE a spirit to be bound.For example, I can't take one of Gwen's Werewolves from a vessel nor can she take a Vampire binding we've done from a vessel.
Not only that, but conjurers have no reason to try; they are capable of conjuring spirits so why would they want to do that when they can conjure what they want?
Binding isn't a simple thing you can do without either training or without a tool already prepared with the necessary enchantments for you to activate. And unbinding requires you to know how it was bound in order to deconstruct the binding and reverse the process. Not to mention any conjurer worth their weight in gold will place certain enchantments on their bindings to safeguard the spirits & spells from anyone trying to be bothersome and we talk about that in another thread.
Spirits can leave you whenever they want forever or temporarily
If you have a spirit that has been bound then no, they can't leave the binding forever. Spirits do move between the different realms (which realms depends on the type of spirit) which may account for their temporary absence sometimes. A spirit cannot, however, decide to remove themselves from you indefinitely. If someone tells you this I would strongly question their motives for telling you that. Are they trying to sell you a product or service to bring the spirit back? Are they offering to be a medium between you & the spirit and convince them to come back? Or any other such nonsense? I cannot say it enough that spirits are not emotional beings that are going to have a hissy fit and stomp away... rather, they are evolved beings that are fully capable of making sound decisions based on the fact they can see beyond what we mortals can and in coming to you in the first place they had a reason for being with you! A bound spirit has the freedom to move between this realm & their own but they can't unbind themselves from a vessel.
Spirits & living entities are the same
Not even remotely and the answer to this is common sense & right in the names themselves... spirits are spirits because they were once living beings and now they are not. Living entities are still living, they are still living their life just as you are right now. Spirit Keeping is the practice of keeping spirits who were once living and are now dead and have come to be with you in spirit form. No one has created a word for living entity keeping yet, perhaps we should all just call it "Entity Keeping" because they are two, different things with completely different sets of rules, practices, & behaviors.
There are times when the words spirit & entity are used interchangeably, and that is something you should be aware of. That is why it's important to understand from the practitioner/seller you're buying from, do they deal in spirits or entities? If they deal in both and you're not sure if the listing is for a spirit or entity please ask them so you know ahead of time!
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[↑] @feihung1986 写道: 你可以攻击我现实的问题,但是你绝对不能够攻击我的梦想,甚至我也不会接受任何攻击别人梦想的人。
这也是国际政治上常有的问题,比起信仰来说算是小巫见大巫了。
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我想起了这张图:
如何在网路上挑起争端:
第一步 - 表达你的意见。
第二步 - 等待。
←目前头像感谢安雅赠图。
Quit, dont quit... Noodles, dont noodles...
There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present.
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外国除了用kin(群),还用den(窝)这个词。到底是我的英文比较强还是中文比较好沟通?
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求翻译……
因为我看不懂英文啦!!
对于龙,我觉得除了各式各样的模样外,也觉得其型态也有很大的让人有一种吸引力,越强大的越是如此。
而且我比较偏爱那种看似冷酷、其实心地善良的那种。
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一个关于therian shift的网站(英文)
http://project-shift.org/
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一封人类写给otherkin的电子邮件
"We talked to the internet residents who feel more like foxes, dragons, and cats than members of Homo sapiens."
They are called “Otherkin.” Basically, they are human beings who believe themselves to be something else. An elf, a certain kind of animal, dragon, unicorn, mermaid, alien, an elemental spirit of some sort. Lycanthropes fall into this category. Only they still look human. They remain, physiologically speaking, entirely human. The difference lies within their minds, or their souls, depending on which member of the Otherkin community you talk to. Some will admit that for them it is just an elaborate form of role-playing. Other, though, genuinely believe, and claim religious-like “awakening” experiences as proof.
It’s easy enough to cry ballyhoo, call them a bunch of wackjobs. The Otherkin movement didn’t even exist as such until the Internet allowed these people to find each other and form communities. But it is possible that there’s something psychological going on, which is not to say defective, something perhaps similar to transgenders who feel they were born as the wrong sex. Might this condition have always been around, just largely unknown, feeding the “myth” of the werewolf? In ages past, one disturbed Otherkin who decided to act on some unhealthy impulse to violence would certainly have been branded a werewolf and his affliction blamed on demonic possession. No Internet needed.
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