@Jadescale 寫道: otherkin和furry存在重合部分嗎?otherkin和therian的關係是?獸式生活者 屬於otherkin還是furry的範疇?
otherkin和therian很明顯啊,therian會變身,屬於otherkin的別類下(儘管有些therian不會接受這個看法)otherkin統稱那些身為人類但是內在感覺到不是人類靈魂的。
按照你的觀點似乎furry就是otherkin呢,所以嘛,好像每個人的說法、說的方式不同的話,定義就不同了。我覺得我也沒有必要強調我自己的觀點就是對的這樣。
我對furry的定義是有分類的,有些furry只是roleplay,把虛構的情節帶出來,有些會把furry的人格變成自己的虛擬人格,那既是otherkin。
然而不是每個furry都相信靈魂、靈性的存在,他們僅僅只是喜歡從虛構的人格里得到快樂,所以,在這樣的觀點下,furry就算有otherkin的跡象,那是徘徊在psychological和furry之間。
更有furry完全沒有虛擬人格的發展,僅僅是獸迷罷了。就好像一個人類去體會獸的存在,但原本還是人類。跟otherkin完全相反。
我回覆你的方式和我回覆樓上的方式,我的說法已經產生矛盾了。我希望我不會被誤解。
要怎麼通過自己的一些非常具體的想法和觀念來確定自己在otherkin中屬於哪一類呢?我的困惑是不知道怎麼提煉自己的觀念,也許是因為一些想法和感受不是那麼明了和清晰的緣故。(比如,我一直困惑于“守護靈”和“自身靈魂”的身份關係。如果以某種動物為靈魂嚮導、守護靈這樣的觀念,是否屬於otherkin?)
我覺得哪一類也許不重要吧。
可能一開始就不應該分門別類的,那只會製造混淆和糾紛。
不過對於自我的認識是有發展啦。
也許每個人都有多少的spiritual、philosophical、psychological和furry kin的部分,只是有些人嚮往某個方向發展罷了。
雖說是虛構的事物,但是,現實如果沒有虛構的話,現實也不會發展。只是如果一味追求虛構而不把虛構轉換成現實的話,那就是脫離現實了。(所以otherkin和furry分離出來就是這樣)不過,再次,就算脫離現實了,只要能夠照顧好自己的生活,那脫離現實也沒有什麼不妥的,活的開心就好。
》》》我個人把虛構和現實分離的很細。。。我是屬於保守派的。。。
守護靈算是spiritual了。。。但看起來摻雜了其它方面的。。。要不要細分取決你自己的意願。不用細分也沒有關係咯。
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對了說到psychology的事情,我在那個otherkin圈子裡還噴除了什麼心理學就是腦神經系統和生化記憶的。。。因為生化記憶是物理性的,而心理作用卻和物理記憶無關。。。
因為涉及到的物理記憶無法解釋那些是人類記憶但是確實非人類思維的
也就是說,這個物理記憶又分為精神層面和物質層面。那時候我說的是物質層面的記憶,但是對方卻強調物理記憶就是精神層面的事情,然後就吵架了。。。我那時候堅持以物質記憶的說法來解釋我的想法,但是對方偏偏要改變我對心理和生理知識的認識,我那時候就生氣對方不要強行去修正別人的理解。沒錯物理記憶和心理作用的關係分不開,但是物理記憶我當時說的是關於腦電波類似電子化訊息解碼編碼的事情,和心理無關,對方硬硬要把這個物理部分糾正我為心理的作用。靠。。。
之所以會出現philosophical otherkin,也是為瞭解決那個psychological和腦神經細胞物理記憶糾紛的問題,我乾脆就按照對方的思路終止我想要解釋物理記憶的我的看法。我的意識是說,物理記憶本身就是一種物理現象,那麼假如我要從psychological的糾紛裡劃分出來,那麼通過並且按照邏輯性思維,那麼philosophy也就能夠讓我從那個糾紛裡逃離出來。。。因為psychological心理作用不屬於物理邏輯也不屬於現象邏輯,僅僅只是一種虛構、意識的邏輯。尼瑪後來結果對方還不是一樣要說我所謂的靈學靈性的作用不存在才頂我的。
堅持自己的立場不是去攻擊別人的說法,那樣不是討論。
我後來和群admin說了幾句話,大意就是有些人看起來很能夠辯論但其實都是沒有意義的討論,根本就不是討論而是在製造不健康的糾紛。admin說好的會和其他的admin討論。
懂得站在別人的立場說話,才能夠平息糾紛。
我發現,很多時候智慧不是問題,而是態度和情緒上的問題導致濫用智慧來詆毀別人的良心。
一個態度良好的人,智慧可能會有點問題,但是基本上不算是問題,因為這種人的學習能力是無限的。
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再補上一些比較奇怪的東西。。。這些都是英文的
Therian化獸人的shift轉變
來源:http://project-shift.org/on-cameo-shifting/
Comeo shift - “客串”轉變 (直譯)
This essay is designed to explore the nature and effects of cameo shifts in relation to therianthropy; not solely the definition of the term. Keep in mind that as therianthropy is a highly personal experience, all statements and information (however researched) are still subject to the scrutiny of the individual reader.
I. What is a Cameo-shift?
The term “cameo-shift” in regards to therianthropy references a shift (of any kind) into an animal which is not one’s own therioside. For example, a wolf therian who experiences a mental shift into the state of a leopard, for however long a period of time, or however many times this occurs, would be said to have experienced a cameo-shift.
It is more the personal experience of the individual therian that determines if this shift is caused by some external force, or by some internal force. It could most likely be called non-integral, due to the fact that therianthropy is most specifically referred to as “A person who is, feels, or believes he/she is in part or whole (non-physically) one or more non-human animals on an integral, personal level” (source 1). This non-integrated feel of the cameo-shift is basically what separates it from being a shift into one’s actual therioside.
It can be extremely hard for someone who is newly “awakened” to their therianthropy to determine which is a cameo-shift and which is not. As such, it is highly recommended that one (even one not precisely new to thoughts on therianthropy) delve deeper into the nature of a shift, before jumping the gun and claiming it a therioside.
II. Brief notes on shifting in general.
“When you get into any sort of altered state, which humans do on a regular basis, through practice, adrenaline, drugs, etc., you have shifted away from your normal baseline state of mind..” (source 2)
This statement by Morg is extremely well said. Anyone can shift. Everyone has the ability to either induce or experience a shift of some sort in some way. Therians and non-therians alike can, for example, experience a mental shift into that of a wolf or a tiger; or a phantom shift into that of a hyena or a bird. It can also be said from this that any non-human shift a non-therian experiences is indeed a cameo-shift.
Morg goes on to say in this essay, “The difference between [non-therian] shifts and the way a therian shifts, is that a therian’s shifts are innate.” Since a therian is said to actually be their theriotype, whether in part or wholly so, the shift is much more integrated.
III. Cameo-shifts in Therians.
Most therianthropes who experience cameo-shifting can isolate the differences between a cameo-shift and a shift involving their own therioside. Even when a cameo-shift is as strong, or even stronger, than one’s own therioside’s shifts, there is a difference (however subtle) that separates the two on a more integral level. Only the individual can truly determine the nuances of each shift and how each shift relates to them personally.
In the case of some therians, a cameo-shift can be as short as a single second, or as long-lasting as (but not restricted to) several years. For some it is a very brief shift, occasionally even non-recurring. For others it happens many times, and yet again others never even experience this sort of shift.
IV. Cameo-shifts in Contherians
As this is not an essay on Contherianthropy itself, only a brief definition will be listed: “Contherianthropy is a variation of therianthropy where the therian’s human and animal(s) selves are blended together into one single constant and unchanging aspect of the person. This condition makes any change from side to side impossible, as sides are non-existent; thus contherians are shiftless.” (source 3)
Although rarely mentioned in the context of Contherianthropy, it is just as possible for a contherian to experience a shift, just as a non-therian would. All this entails is that the contherian experiences a shift into an animal other than their own therioside; since a Contherian does not experience shifts into their therioside in the first place, an animal shift experienced by the contherian would be a cameo-shift. But just as some therians and some non-therians never experience this shift, some contherians also never experience this shift.
V. Causes and Methods of Cameo-shifting.
Just as any shift occurs, a cameo-shift is usually caused by something. Whether this something is internally or externally based, instinctual or induced, there is some underlying factor to the occurrence.
Differing at times extremely based on the individual, there are several “causes” that can be attributed to cameo-shifting. Of these only two are going to be discussed at any length, due to amount of resources available.
Totems are generally related to the ancient belief in “a reverence for animals and a respect for what they can show us and teach us” (source 4). As such, totem animals and their symbolic meanings are usually used in situations – mostly in reference to a more shamanistic point of view – wherein totem animals are message-bearers, guides and power animals for those who call upon/work with them.
In this capacity, totems animals can be worked with and used to gain the aspects of that animal. Say, working with Bear (who is mostly known for its aspects of power and healing) for example, one might experience a shift into a mental state of a bear, becoming closer to this animal guide and what it represents. This is not to say that each time one works with a totem animal they experience a cameo-shift; only that the process can sometimes end up with a cameo-shift in that person.
Very near to this is the subject of spirit guides. Occasionally it has been documented through personal experience where a therian will identify enough with their spirit guide to find themselves undergoing a cameo-shift. For example, a fox therian who feels they have a wolf spirit guide/guardian may connect to their spirit guide so strongly that the fox therian will almost feel that they were wolf.
Other methods/causes for cameo-shifting can include any effort or motivation used or experienced in a therian’s ‘normal’ shift into their therioside. From emotional changes such as anger, frustration, happiness, to external forces like music or actions of other people/animals, each can trigger a cameo-shifting response in an individual.
來源:http://www.tygerwolfe.com/writing/essays/therian-shifting-terminology-by-redfeather-falconhawk/
Shift 轉變
Therian Shifting & Terminology by RedFeather FalconHawk
I thought I’d write out a description of some of the different types of shifts that Therians go through. If you find this is lacking or needs something, feel free to let me know. I’ll gladly admit it probably isn’t perfect. :) (Some of these types of shifts, I’m a little dodgy on, so if anyone has something they’d like to add about anything, go ahead.)Types of Shifts
Mental Shift – When your mindset changes into that of your theriotype. This can be slight, or it can be a lot more obvious. It is animal-thinking – thinking just how you would if you were in the body of your theriotype. You also react to things the same way your animal would.
Spiritual Shift – When your spiritual body changes into your theriotype. (I do not completely understand how this one works – I thought my spiritual body was always that of a bird’s.)
Aura Shift – When a person’s auric field changes shape into that of your theriotype.
Sensory Shift – When a therian’s senses become more like that of their theriotype. For instance, your sense of smell is heightened, if you’re say, a dog or wolf therian. This is not to say that you develop super-senses, or that your sense of smell, vision, or whatever, is actually WAY better than that of most humans. This is not the case. However, one may become more focused on that sense when their mindset is more like their theriotype, causing that sense to become more obvious to them than the other senses are.
Astral Shift – A shift that is experienced on the astral plane, for those who use astral travel.
Phantom Shift – When you feel body parts that aren’t physically there, such as a tail – also, when you feel body parts differently from how they are physically – such as feeling as if you have wings instead of arms and hands.
Dream Shift – When you dream, you take the form of your theriotype. Instead of being human in your dream, you are your theriotype animal.
Cameo Shift - Cameo shifts are commonly experienced by therians. They are shifts into an animal that’s not your normal type.
Bi-location Shift – This is when you have a full-body phantom shift, but the “phantom” ends up in a different location from the physical body, rather than it just being felt around or on the physical body. The person’s awareness is split between the physical body and the phantom body.
Physical Shift – Physical shifting is being able to physically change your body’s form so that you are no longer human (for instance, movie werewolves). PLEASE NOTE: This is generally not believed to be something that actually happens, and generally people claiming to be able to do this are either insane, trolls or just looking for attention. Sometimes people claim to have small changes, such as their teeth growing more fang-like or their eye-color changing. Teeth do not change in that way, so there’s no way that can happen, short of someone getting some kind of special dentistry. Eye-color can change somewhat, but that is a normal thing that human eyes do – while a shift may affect how your eyes look (as moods do) – it’s not going to drastically change your eye-color to something completely different. So, while physical shifting may in some way or some day be possible – generally most of the people claiming to be able to do it are just fluff.
Other Therianthropy-Related Terms
I was just thinking I’d add this, too – perhaps this will turn into a terminology post rather than one strictly about shifting. I don’t know. But here are a few other things. Again, these are just my understandings of the terms – feel free to correct me.
Contherian – A contherian is a therian whose animal and human sides are intertwined – a contherianthrope doesn’t generally have shifts, and their “sides” are so intertwined that they can’t just turn the animal side off.
Suntherian – A suntherian is much like a contherian, though a suntherian will have slight fluctuations between feeling more animal and more human. From what I understand, it’s sort of like an in-between with contherianthropy and general therianthropy (non-contherianthropes).
Cladotherian – A cladotherian, rather than identifying with one or a few species, identifies with a larger group of animals as a whole, such as a genus or class. For instance, if I were a cladotherian, rather than identifying strictly as a red-tailed hawk and peregrine falcon, I’d identify as say, the order Falconiformes.
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[↑] @feihung1986 寫道: 對了說到psychology的事情,我在那個otherkin圈子裡還噴除了什麼心理學就是腦神經系統和生化記憶的。。。因為生化記憶是物理性的,而心理作用卻和物理記憶無關。。。 因為涉及到的物理記憶無法解 …
雖然點了贊,但是實話說,從別人立場討論,確實平息了糾紛,但是自己底線在哪裡呢?
我可能就是現實中很喜歡用一大堆東西去壓着別人說不出話來那種,這裡就必須用之前影子說的了,越是討論到細枝末節的東西,越是接近自己要的真相,自己就越堅持,自己越不可能退步,自然不可能會有什麼妥協的範圍。
“異端比異教徒可恨得多”是世間公理。
如果你能從別人角度理解別人的爭議的道理,你應該能理解為什麼某些人就喜歡細枝末節的爭論,然而當你理解了之後,怕是也不能理解了。
悖論。
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@霸權MOD 寫道: 但是實話說,從別人立場討論,確實平息了糾紛,但是自己底線在哪裡呢?
後來,那個和我爭論的人會為我與另一個人的爭論站在我的立場幫我解困,最後把那個傢伙給幹掉了(從群裡移除掉),這些都不是不請自來的,是因為自己用實力來擺平的。
底線的問題,我其實沒有什麼底線,反正我只在乎有價值的討論。對我來說,智慧不是問題,態度才是。態度沒有問題,智慧自然就會來。態度有問題,聰明了自己,愚蠢了別人,我不是這種類型。
但不管如何,實踐和效果才是大道。沒有效果的東西,叫做脫離現實。我滿意我個人做實踐出來的效果,這樣就好。別人也能夠這樣更好。
@霸權MOD 寫道: 如果你能從別人角度理解別人的爭議的道理,你應該能理解為什麼某些人就喜歡細枝末節的爭論,然而當你理解了之後,怕是也不能理解了。
對方後來表示我能夠做出改變,而那個無法改變的傢伙被(他)幹掉了(我當時也覺得有點不可思議,俠義精神嗎?)。我要感激他也可以,不過我覺得他不適合吃軟的,而我比較喜歡吃軟的,就沒有繼續交流下去了。
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最近緬甸因為佛教宗教排擠難民的事情,又剛好我看到了關於不丹的佛教國的歷史,讓我反思了一件事情。
對了,也有像不丹那樣的伊斯蘭教國,比如文萊。文萊和不丹都是君主制。基督教國比如丹麥也是一個很和平的國家。
所以總結呢
是人類自己創造信仰,而不是信仰創造人類。
然而問題不是在於用信仰來決定人類的命運,而是人類一直以來都在創造着信仰。停止創造信仰,就會被信仰決定人類的命運,然後變成自相殘殺。
尊重別人的信仰不是為了避免麻煩,而是避免信仰的停頓而變成麻煩。
現實都是從夢想裡創造出來的,只有因為沒有夢想而苦惱的人,沒有因為現實而受苦的人。
你可以攻擊我現實的問題,但是你絶對不能夠攻擊我的夢想,甚至我也不會接受任何攻擊別人夢想的人。
你也不可以把自己的信仰強加在別人身上,用自己的信仰來攻擊別人,抹殺別人的夢想。
攻擊別人現實的問題,來打壓別人的夢想,甚至強行灌輸別人自己的信仰,實際上這種人已經喪失了創造夢想的能力,而且還不知道自己在把自己的問題給別人添加麻煩。反駁這種人不是為了改變對方的夢想,而是讓對方看到自己已經迷失的信仰。
和別人的夢想有差異的地方,就用互通的地方來填補。找不到互通的信仰,就沒有理由來強求別人認同自己的夢想。
人之所以會相信某些人物的信仰,那是因為當時人們已經喪失了夢想,從別人的信仰找到了夢想之後,所以就相信了某個人物。
分享信仰不是為了要求別人認同自己的夢想,而是讓那些失去夢想的人得到更多的選擇。
創造信仰不是因為和別人出現分歧,而是信仰本身就是夢想的創造而來。
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Re: MYTHS, LIES & OTHER FABRICATIONS OF KNOWLEDGE
Postby creepyhollows » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:11 pmBound spirits are better than attached spirits...
No, not necessarily. Of course having a binding affords more leeway with being able to provide protection, Bridging, and other positive aspects but in our own home I'd venture to say we have as many bound as unbound living here. Attached spirits come & go and bound spirits chose to be bound & come to you because they want to fulfill a long-term support in your life. There's no greater advantage as far as the spirit's interaction with you, binding only affords you more opportunities for other complementing steps.
Dark Arts = Evil...
Only if you consider yourself evil. Dark Arts means the ability to choose between right or wrong, and humans are Dark Arts beings. We have the freedom to choose to do good or bad the same as Dark Arts spirits. We consider Black Arts entities the ones who operate purely out of evil and they are the ones who have no associations in the Encyclopedia. Dark Arts entities are those who have powers in the white & dark realm of spirits & magic, who you see exacting revenge or vengeance and who can choose to do good or bad in any situation. When a DA is part of your family you do not typically see them acting out against those in their own family circle because they are also very loyal beings.
Spirits travel in families...
Typically, no. This is an assumption where it depends on what entity you are talking about if it is even true but in the totality of spirits, no. There will always be exceptions but 99% of the time they do not.
You can forcibly bind spirits...
Yes, but in order to do so you better be extremely powerful and you WILL pay for it with your own energy, spirit & karma. You typically only see this in black magick practitioners doing so against other Black Arts spirits to force them to do their bidding because Black Arts spirits as a rule will not voluntarily help you. However, it should also be noted that in this case the word "spirit" is inaccurate because most of the time the Black Arts "spirits" bound against their will are living entities who reside on another plane such as the astral or spiritual. And BA practitioners always pay in the end and you don't usually see their run last longer than a few months or a year before something breaks them down if they are going with the forcible approach. BA entities have powers beyond any scope of a human and typically a BA practitioner will allow themselves to become possessed by a strong BA spirit in order to continue BA work. The number of these kinds of practitioners are very few and far between.
You can kidnap spirits...
LOL, no. I can't tell you how many times I've said that spirits are more evolved than we are, and it's the truth. They are not vulnerable, unknowing beings floating around waiting to be taken advantage of. They require respect and often humility to bring them through conjuration and they choose whether or not to come to you. Your reciting a conjuration opens the gate for any spirit(s) who want to come forward to do so to you specifically. Think about the words being a key turning the lock on a door and when you're done the door opens to the spiritual or astral realms. You cannot do a spiritual drive-by and scoop up unsuspecting spirits... LOL I'm sorry but this is one of the most ludicrous things I've heard to date. Spirits demand respect, rightly so, and you have to give respect to get it in anything in life including work with spirits.
You can torture or beat spirits...
The context of that expression denies itself. A spirit is a spirit therefore you cannot physically injure it. Are there nasty people in the world who have spirits to drag them down with themselves and be verbally abusive? Sure. Nasty people are everywhere but you have to remember we're talking about spirits. The spirit has the opportunity to move itself from the physical to spiritual plane at their own will and that is something you cannot take away from them no matter who you are so if they are not liking a situation they are in they are going to move to the spiritual and/or astral plane. As I've said before, humans are human. People have to get off the mindset that humans are superior beings, we are not, we are graced by the presence of spirits, not the other way around. Spirits are FAR more advanced than we. If a spirit is permanently bound to a vessel and not attached then they will likely go into the spiritual or astral realm and reside and not be with the vessel on the physical plane.
SRA spirits here at CH that we participate in with hundreds of others are typically spirits that are bound, that had a good or average life with another Keeper and the Keeper either died or became otherwise unable to attend to them and sent them into the program through one of the SRA foster homes. Do we get spirits who have been with verbally abusive Keepers? Once in awhile, but typically those don't make it here because Keepers who are like that aren't going to give them over because people who are like that are obviously irresponsible. SRA spirits are generally quieter than others at first because they went from being with someone for a long time to having to start over anew and it can be a transition.
Do not ever delude yourself that humans are more powerful than spirits or magic, that is a DANGEROUS assumption & belief. Humans are priviledged to practice magic & interact with spirits which requires RESPECT at all times that you are dealing with a force bigger than yourself. For most people they come into this spirit-keeping world with honest intentions and that is what they receive in return... goodness & happiness.
Spirits procreate...
Spirits do not have babies, they are spirits. They may have had babies when they were alive and they may go through those motions or relive those memories with you... and they may bring those other spirits into your life once they are settled but this is not the norm as stated above about spirit families. They do not usually bring others into an existing situation 99% of the time. As said before there are exceptions to this and Keepers specifically who are exceptions because of their unique energy that promotes that kind of behavior, but the majority of the time you aren't going to have a spirit bring other spirits to you without your consent or knowledge. Respect & trust is a two-way street and you will see that spirits abide by respect & trust as so likely do you.Binding to Spirit = Soul binding
No. If it we meant soul binding we would have said it. We're well-educated people and if we meant to say soul-binding then it would say that. Binding to spirit means binding to your essence, the field of energy that comprises your unique spirit, that some believe is split into pieces & reincarnated, while your soul moves on to whatever you believe is your version of Heaven. So if someone tells you Binding to Spirit means soul binding you can tell them they are ignorant of the facts. We do not offer and have never offered soul bindings.
You can kill a spirit
No, that would be what is known as an oxymoron. A spirit is a spirit because it was once a living entity and now it is not, so it is in spirit form. An entity is a being that is still alive on any plane or in any dimension. When that living entity expires most come into spirit form. Immortals, like Aphrodite & Zeus for example, are not spirits because they are Immortal so they are living beings that continue to live without expiry. You can banish a spirit back where it came from but you cannot kill it. Also, as I said above do NOT delude yourself that humans are more powerful than spirits or magic, that is a DANGEROUS assumption & belief. And do not work with practitioners who believe they are more powerful than spirits or magic because their lack of respect could bring you serious problems. You must exercise respect & humility when working with the paranormal.
Spirits are all-powerful
Absolutely not. Dying and moving into spirit form does not mean you've just won some kind of universal power contest. If the spirit did not have the power while in living form it will not have it in death. Yes, spirits do come into some abilities like moving between the physical & spiritual planes but if they were not magically-inclined in life they are not going to know or be able to practice magic just because they came into spirit form. That goes for any ability or power. A Harpy, for instance, is not going to suddenly become and emblem of Good Luck & Attracting Positive Light because they are now a spirit, just as a Leprechaun is not going to become a powerful sorcerer in spirit form. Spirits do not come into cosmic powers they did not have in life just because they died.
All Conjurations or Summoning practices are evil
A conjuration or a summon is to call upon an entity or a spirit. To summon something doesn't have to be complicated; when they call out for help to God or they call out for the angels to help them, they are summoning those entities for help. You can summon or call many kinds of entity from pure white to grey to pure black. To bind is the process of taking the next step after conjuring or summoning and the entity must give consent in order to be bound.
Conjuring, Summoning & Channeling, 3 very different things
Conjuring is the process of using an invocation or ritual to bring an entity or spirit through to you. Mastery of this takes time & often years. Those who are not experienced or masters should not write conjurations as choice of word & conjuration formation is essential to conjuring the right entity. Conjurations given away or sold by masters can be used by the novice & intermediate for trusted results and the invocation for conjuration & instructions provided (if any) should be followed to the letter.
Summoning is the process of calling an entity or spirit. It is not always 100% accurate when used simply as a call to an Angel, for example. The more specific you are in summoning the better off you are. It has little or no structure provided and therefore calling out for assistance could result in any entity willing to respond to do so. Summoning does not require invocations or rituals and can be done through verbal expression, use of a vessel, or telepathy.
Channeling is the process of connecting yourself to another entity or place, it is temporary and does not require immediate presence in one location like Conjuring or Summoning. Neither you or the target has to leave your current location to channel. For instance, you can channel the spirit of a lost relative on the spiritual plane. You are extending your energy to them on their realm and creating a connection. You can channel a location in the astral realm, you can astral travel and channel a time, place, or person... channeling is an explorative method used to help you in discovery & growth of your energy & abilities. Channeling often requires an invocation or a method of visualization. Sometimes the channeling invocation can be bound to an object which is then activated by the user in some manner.
Can someone steal your spirits, or can a practitioner call back a spirit they bound?
In a nutshell, no. We can only truly speak for Creepy Hollows when we say spirits are never called back unless the Keeper requests them to be. When we conjure & bind a spirit we do so without any bonding, without any personal interaction, and provide only the basic details as given during conjuration for the next Keeper to identify with. We do this because we have no interest in becoming personally invested with a spirit we plan to home. Yes, it leads to non-lengthy descriptions, but we conjure for the purpose of homing and not the purpose of bonding with them.
Can someone steal your spirits from their vessels? No. Why?
#1 to unbind you must know the process in which it was bound
#2 you cannot forcibly bind spirits
#3 we cannot transmute any spirits whose vessels are lost without their permission because as #2 states, you cannot FORCE a spirit to be bound.For example, I can't take one of Gwen's Werewolves from a vessel nor can she take a Vampire binding we've done from a vessel.
Not only that, but conjurers have no reason to try; they are capable of conjuring spirits so why would they want to do that when they can conjure what they want?
Binding isn't a simple thing you can do without either training or without a tool already prepared with the necessary enchantments for you to activate. And unbinding requires you to know how it was bound in order to deconstruct the binding and reverse the process. Not to mention any conjurer worth their weight in gold will place certain enchantments on their bindings to safeguard the spirits & spells from anyone trying to be bothersome and we talk about that in another thread.
Spirits can leave you whenever they want forever or temporarily
If you have a spirit that has been bound then no, they can't leave the binding forever. Spirits do move between the different realms (which realms depends on the type of spirit) which may account for their temporary absence sometimes. A spirit cannot, however, decide to remove themselves from you indefinitely. If someone tells you this I would strongly question their motives for telling you that. Are they trying to sell you a product or service to bring the spirit back? Are they offering to be a medium between you & the spirit and convince them to come back? Or any other such nonsense? I cannot say it enough that spirits are not emotional beings that are going to have a hissy fit and stomp away... rather, they are evolved beings that are fully capable of making sound decisions based on the fact they can see beyond what we mortals can and in coming to you in the first place they had a reason for being with you! A bound spirit has the freedom to move between this realm & their own but they can't unbind themselves from a vessel.
Spirits & living entities are the same
Not even remotely and the answer to this is common sense & right in the names themselves... spirits are spirits because they were once living beings and now they are not. Living entities are still living, they are still living their life just as you are right now. Spirit Keeping is the practice of keeping spirits who were once living and are now dead and have come to be with you in spirit form. No one has created a word for living entity keeping yet, perhaps we should all just call it "Entity Keeping" because they are two, different things with completely different sets of rules, practices, & behaviors.
There are times when the words spirit & entity are used interchangeably, and that is something you should be aware of. That is why it's important to understand from the practitioner/seller you're buying from, do they deal in spirits or entities? If they deal in both and you're not sure if the listing is for a spirit or entity please ask them so you know ahead of time!
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[↑] @feihung1986 寫道: 你可以攻擊我現實的問題,但是你絶對不能夠攻擊我的夢想,甚至我也不會接受任何攻擊別人夢想的人。
這也是國際政治上常有的問題,比起信仰來說算是小巫見大巫了。
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我想起了這張圖:
如何在網路上挑起爭端:
第一步 - 表達你的意見。
第二步 - 等待。
←目前頭像感謝安雅贈圖。
Quit, dont quit... Noodles, dont noodles...
There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present.
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外國除了用kin(群),還用den(窩)這個詞。到底是我的英文比較強還是中文比較好溝通?
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求翻譯……
因為我看不懂英文啦!!
對於龍,我覺得除了各式各樣的模樣外,也覺得其型態也有很大的讓人有一種吸引力,越強大的越是如此。
而且我比較偏愛那種看似冷酷、其實心地善良的那種。
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一個關於therian shift的網站(英文)
http://project-shift.org/
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一封人類寫給otherkin的電子郵件
"We talked to the internet residents who feel more like foxes, dragons, and cats than members of Homo sapiens."
They are called “Otherkin.” Basically, they are human beings who believe themselves to be something else. An elf, a certain kind of animal, dragon, unicorn, mermaid, alien, an elemental spirit of some sort. Lycanthropes fall into this category. Only they still look human. They remain, physiologically speaking, entirely human. The difference lies within their minds, or their souls, depending on which member of the Otherkin community you talk to. Some will admit that for them it is just an elaborate form of role-playing. Other, though, genuinely believe, and claim religious-like “awakening” experiences as proof.
It’s easy enough to cry ballyhoo, call them a bunch of wackjobs. The Otherkin movement didn’t even exist as such until the Internet allowed these people to find each other and form communities. But it is possible that there’s something psychological going on, which is not to say defective, something perhaps similar to transgenders who feel they were born as the wrong sex. Might this condition have always been around, just largely unknown, feeding the “myth” of the werewolf? In ages past, one disturbed Otherkin who decided to act on some unhealthy impulse to violence would certainly have been branded a werewolf and his affliction blamed on demonic possession. No Internet needed.
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